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		<title>By: Caleb Posner</title>
		<link>http://calebposner.com/2009/02/05/a-church-of-hate/#comment-140</link>
		<dc:creator>Caleb Posner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Feb 2009 18:36:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Who exactly do you mean by you people? I call him as such because I don&#039;t believe the Vatican has any special status this fringe movement does not that would make me inclined to uphold their titular rules instead of those of the SSPX. More to the point, I don&#039;t consider Bishop to be a title any rational person would desire, for it simply means that they are complicit in the indoctrination of the ignorant masses, spreading the shameful lie that is religion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who exactly do you mean by you people? I call him as such because I don&#8217;t believe the Vatican has any special status this fringe movement does not that would make me inclined to uphold their titular rules instead of those of the SSPX. More to the point, I don&#8217;t consider Bishop to be a title any rational person would desire, for it simply means that they are complicit in the indoctrination of the ignorant masses, spreading the shameful lie that is religion.</p>
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		<title>By: Akira</title>
		<link>http://calebposner.com/2009/02/05/a-church-of-hate/#comment-139</link>
		<dc:creator>Akira</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Feb 2009 20:25:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why do you people have so much respect for Mr Williamson that you keep referring to him as &quot;Bishop Williamson&quot;? I thought the whole point of the controversy [the original controversy for which he was excommunicated] was that he&#039;s NOT a bishop, and never has been.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why do you people have so much respect for Mr Williamson that you keep referring to him as &#8220;Bishop Williamson&#8221;? I thought the whole point of the controversy [the original controversy for which he was excommunicated] was that he&#8217;s NOT a bishop, and never has been.</p>
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		<title>By: hosehead</title>
		<link>http://calebposner.com/2009/02/05/a-church-of-hate/#comment-138</link>
		<dc:creator>hosehead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Feb 2009 19:15:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>oh yes, I forgot

&quot;A Church of Hate&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oh yes, I forgot</p>
<p>&#8220;A Church of Hate&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: hosehead</title>
		<link>http://calebposner.com/2009/02/05/a-church-of-hate/#comment-137</link>
		<dc:creator>hosehead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Feb 2009 19:13:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK - you&#039;ve got me floored with your superior argumentation style. What can I possibly say to devastating reasoning such as

&quot;The previous prevailing sentiment was to place blame on all Jews for the crucifixion,&quot;

&quot; ...that does nothing but reveal that you too may be an anti-semite.&quot;

&quot;Catholic churches worldwide spreading anti-semitic lies for their own sick purposes.&quot;

I surrender! End of debate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK &#8211; you&#8217;ve got me floored with your superior argumentation style. What can I possibly say to devastating reasoning such as</p>
<p>&#8220;The previous prevailing sentiment was to place blame on all Jews for the crucifixion,&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8221; &#8230;that does nothing but reveal that you too may be an anti-semite.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Catholic churches worldwide spreading anti-semitic lies for their own sick purposes.&#8221;</p>
<p>I surrender! End of debate.</p>
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		<title>By: Caleb Posner</title>
		<link>http://calebposner.com/2009/02/05/a-church-of-hate/#comment-136</link>
		<dc:creator>Caleb Posner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Feb 2009 22:16:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hosehead, allow me to reply to your three errors:

1) Even accepting your understanding of Nostra Aetate, it is still a major shift in attitude. The previous prevailing sentiment was to place blame on all Jews for the crucifixion, which fed into anti-semitism in Christian Europe. This is not something generally disputed. 

2) Saying that Jews must be disallowed to live with Christians and that they are inimical (hostile or averse to) all other nations is obvious anti-semitism. The idea that Jews are separate and have to be removed because they are a corrupting element has been part of the belief structure of every major anti-semitic group throughout history. If you cannot see the anti-semitism in such statements, that does nothing but reveal that you too may be an anti-semite.

3) A fine starting point would be the Crusades, where in the conquest of Christendom the papal militias warmed up for battle by slaughtering Jews. Another example would be your monks spreading the false stories of Jewish blood libel in England that brought about the mob pressure under which the Jews were expelled. No list of Catholic crimes against Jews would be complete without mentioning the Spanish Inquisition, their aid to the Ustaša government, and in the cases of various Catholic churchs worldwide spreading anti-semitic lies for their own sick purposes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hosehead, allow me to reply to your three errors:</p>
<p>1) Even accepting your understanding of Nostra Aetate, it is still a major shift in attitude. The previous prevailing sentiment was to place blame on all Jews for the crucifixion, which fed into anti-semitism in Christian Europe. This is not something generally disputed. </p>
<p>2) Saying that Jews must be disallowed to live with Christians and that they are inimical (hostile or averse to) all other nations is obvious anti-semitism. The idea that Jews are separate and have to be removed because they are a corrupting element has been part of the belief structure of every major anti-semitic group throughout history. If you cannot see the anti-semitism in such statements, that does nothing but reveal that you too may be an anti-semite.</p>
<p>3) A fine starting point would be the Crusades, where in the conquest of Christendom the papal militias warmed up for battle by slaughtering Jews. Another example would be your monks spreading the false stories of Jewish blood libel in England that brought about the mob pressure under which the Jews were expelled. No list of Catholic crimes against Jews would be complete without mentioning the Spanish Inquisition, their aid to the Ustaša government, and in the cases of various Catholic churchs worldwide spreading anti-semitic lies for their own sick purposes.</p>
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		<title>By: hosehead</title>
		<link>http://calebposner.com/2009/02/05/a-church-of-hate/#comment-135</link>
		<dc:creator>hosehead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Feb 2009 20:27:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Point 1.

&quot;... Nostra Aetate, the declaration that formally established that the Jews were no more responsible for the crucifixion of Jesus than any other peoples&quot;

Not true. Nostra Aetate says &quot;not ALL Jews were responsible&quot;. This, if you accept logic of course, means that SOME Jews were. Elementary my dear Jackson. No one is (unlike the accusations of guilt still being laid at the feet of Germans who had NOTHING to do with WWII), suggesting the all Jews are guilty of Christ&#039;s murder, but some were. It says so in the scriptures. Now, if you want us to give up the Scriptures, as Abe Foxman does, why don’t you just say so openly?

Point 2.
&quot;Judaism is inimical to all nations in general, and in a special manner to Christian nations.” They continue, “Jews must not live together with Christians…because their errors and material superiority have virulent consequences among other peoples.”

Why is this anti-Semitic? Perhaps you should read Micheal Jones’ monumental study ‘The Jewish Revolutionary Spirit and its Impact on World History’ before you grab onto the knee-jerk &#039;anti-Semite&#039; canard next time.

Point 3.
“after centuries of complicity in unspeakable crimes against them” Elaborate, pray. Complicity with whom? Crimes, which ones? The entire history of the Catholic church vis-avis the Jews was guided by Pope Gregory the Great ‘Sicut Judaeis non’ principle, but perhaps you know something I don’t.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Point 1.</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230; Nostra Aetate, the declaration that formally established that the Jews were no more responsible for the crucifixion of Jesus than any other peoples&#8221;</p>
<p>Not true. Nostra Aetate says &#8220;not ALL Jews were responsible&#8221;. This, if you accept logic of course, means that SOME Jews were. Elementary my dear Jackson. No one is (unlike the accusations of guilt still being laid at the feet of Germans who had NOTHING to do with WWII), suggesting the all Jews are guilty of Christ&#8217;s murder, but some were. It says so in the scriptures. Now, if you want us to give up the Scriptures, as Abe Foxman does, why don’t you just say so openly?</p>
<p>Point 2.<br />
&#8220;Judaism is inimical to all nations in general, and in a special manner to Christian nations.” They continue, “Jews must not live together with Christians…because their errors and material superiority have virulent consequences among other peoples.”</p>
<p>Why is this anti-Semitic? Perhaps you should read Micheal Jones’ monumental study ‘The Jewish Revolutionary Spirit and its Impact on World History’ before you grab onto the knee-jerk &#8216;anti-Semite&#8217; canard next time.</p>
<p>Point 3.<br />
“after centuries of complicity in unspeakable crimes against them” Elaborate, pray. Complicity with whom? Crimes, which ones? The entire history of the Catholic church vis-avis the Jews was guided by Pope Gregory the Great ‘Sicut Judaeis non’ principle, but perhaps you know something I don’t.</p>
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